This is one of the argument that i came accross yesterday, take your time and read it properly, thoroughly point by point and my counter arguement would follow suit later :
“Let’s take a look at the USA : Independence Day, commonly known as the 4th of July, is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, declaring independence of the 13 Colonies from the Kingdom of Great Britain.
The 13 Colonies were Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut, Massachusetts Bay, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia, New York, North Carolina, and Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. After achieving independence with the Treaty of Paris, the United States expanded westward, enlarging its borders seven times, with two major border adjustments, one each with colonies of the United Kingdom and Spain, and several small disputes.
The original thirteen states grew into fifty states, most of which began as incorporated territories.
The general pattern seen in this is of territorial expansion, carving of organized territories from the newly acquired land, modification of the borders of these territories, and eventual statehood. Only two states, Nevada and Missouri, grew appreciably after statehood, and five, Georgia, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia, lost land, in each case to form new states.
My counter argument :
I beg to differ with you and allow me to elaborate in my broken English :-)
United States of America vs Federation of Malaysia.
Cant you see the difference? :-)
USA is a Unitary States while Malaysia is a Federation
I dont see any single reason why we (Sabah/Sarawak) should celebrate 31st August as Independence Day.
Why? That is the date Federation of Malaya gain Independence from Britain.
Malaysia is a Federation of Equal Partner namely Malaya, Sabah, Sarawak.
Just like United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which consist of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
They are Separate but Equal Partner. They have their own state Government and their Head of Government is called First Minister, similar to Chief Minister for Sabah, Sarawak right?
In United Kingdom, they have no Independence Day or National Day due to the same reason
The only date that we should celebrate is September 16th because that is the date when Malaysia was officialy formed and it is called Malaysia Day, and yes, we SHOULD celebrate Malaysia Day and not 31st August as it has nothing to do with us although one may argue that if there is no 31st August 1957 Indepedence of Malaya, there would be no Malaysia BUT, if there is no September 16th 1963, there is NO Malaysia. If there is no Sabah, Sarawak, Singapore, there is NO Malaysia as well!
The formation of the new federation was planned to occur on June 1, 1963, but was later postponed to August 31, 1963, in order to coincide with the sixth Hari Merdeka.
Several issues related to the Indonesian and the Filipino objection to the formation of Malaysia delayed the declaration to September 16 of the same year.
The postponement was also done to allow the United Nations team time to conduct referendums in North Borneo (now Sabah) and Sarawak regarding the two states participation in a new federation
Malaysia Agreement signed by the Governments of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Federation of Malaya, North Borneo (now Sabah including Labuan Island), Sarawak and Singapore in London on 9th July 1963
31 August 1957 : Federated States of Malaya gain Independence from the Britain
22 July 1963 : Sarawak was officially granted Independence from Britain
16 September 1963 : Sarawak together with North Borneo (Sabah), Singapore and Federation of Malaya formed the Federation of Malaysia as EQUAL PARTNER.Separate but Equal Entity
Rhetorically speaking, we had never achieved INDEPENDENCE in the true sense of words. Its just the change of Colonial Masters. From White Skin to Brown Skin. From British Imperialism to Malayan Imperialism
Simple Mathematics :
Federation of Malaya + States of Singapore + States of North Borneo + States of Sarawak : Federation of Malaysia (1963)
Status : Equal Partner
Federation of Malaya + States of Sabah + States of Sarawak – States of Singapore : United States of Malaysia (1965)
Status : 1 of the states in Malaysia
My Suggestion :
Federation of Malaya – States of Sabah – States of Sarawak : United States of Malaya (2065)
Status : Independent/Sovereign Country of Sabah/Sarawak :-)
Awang Dzul-Hashriq Dharfizi : The only problem i see here is the factual error that the United States is a Federation and not Unitary, the way Malaysia is. Both have federal-level government. however, it is true that the similar analogy on celebration of 4th July CANNOT be used in Malaysian context.
Federation of Malaya who attained her independence on 31st August 1957 “ceased” to exist as a Sovereign Entity and surrenders her Sovereignty and Independence through the Formation of Malaysia with 3 other equal partners of North Borneo, Singapore and Sarawak on the 16th September 1963, creating a new entity with new name and new constitution, yet the United States of America has been in continuous existence since 1776 and only absorbs new territories through expansion and purchase among other ways
Leslley Kalom : So if USA is a federation the way Malaysia is? If that is the case, my understanding of Federation is States, federated to form a new Country/Nation as Equal Partner while retaining their individualities
Awang Dzul-Hashriq Dharfizi : Federalism basically involves a 3 tier governmental level which are the federal government, the state government and the local government (city/municipal council) with usually explicit mentions on the power division/separation between the states and the federal government.
Federated states or federations among others include Malaysia, the United States, Russia, India, Germany and Australia. whereas a Unitary state only have a 2 Tier Administration level which are the Central Government and the Local Government such as all other South-East Asian Nations, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, South Korea, even the United Kingdom (albeit devolved as to grant separate administrative powers to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland)A far-less common form of administration is the confederation which is almost a hybrid of the two, with most of its units (or member states) having superior autonomy in their administration compared to those of in federation
How i wish Malaysia was a confederation, to be honest. Your understanding might reflects more of a Confederation, rather than a Federation, i believe.